Posts by never a jw

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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!

by Crazyguy in

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ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.

the theory of major evolution is crap!

the theory is falling apart.

never a jw

I see. So the story of Adam and Eve in Genesis solves the problem. The fossil record was an invention by an evil angel that existed before Adam and Eve. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense now. The earth has been here for a litttle more than 6,000 years and the cosmic radiation that dates the universe at 10-14 billion years is an illusion created by an evil angel too.

Crazyguy, why don't you try defending the Bible account in light of all the discoveries in geology, genetics, evolutionary biology, astronomy, paleontology, anthropology, instead of borrowing ideas from young earth "scientists". Better yet, go to a secular school and learn a little from the hard work of the bright minds doing research in the fields that I just mentioned.

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OK so if the Bible is crap??

by Crazyguy in

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ok so if the bible is nothing more then a pagan religious book, then how do all of you that think this, think we got here?

and please don't tell me you believe in evolution, because even the experts are finding major flaws in that theory.

so what is your opinion??

never a jw

I don't think the Bible is crap. It's a great book in the context of the time it was written. The crap starts flowing when people want to make literal interpretations of stories that have been disproven beyond any doubt such as those in Genesis. It was Bennedict Spinoza in the 1,600's one of the first to warn against the literal interpretation of many of the Bible stories. The crappy part is to have people 400 years later still making literal interpretations of Genesis. The crappy part is to hear people who hardly finished High School pretend to know better than scientists with advanced degrees and many years of research. The crappy part is to hear that the biggest, in fact the only "evidence", against evolution is a story written about 2,700 years ago, at a time when superstition was the order of the day. I surmise your grades in Biology were not that great. I suggest you grab some biology books and start learning about the real world.

I could, for the sake of argument, admit God's existance, but the inerrancy of the Bible, Hell NO!!!

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7 graphs that prove America is overrated

by Simon in

before the usual suspects start reaching for the pich-forks and forming a mob, i invite you to actually read and consider this, not just leap to conclusions.. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130607/7-graphs-america-overrated-nsa-prism-privacy.

why do i care?

it seems the people being screwed the most are also the most visciferous defenders of the status quo which sees them being severely disadvantaged.. maternity leave?

never a jw

First AAWA, then Republicans, now USA bashing. Take one of the 52 week vacation allotment Canadians get. You need it. You sound better when you don't speak (write).

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The antidote to the myth that JWs are declining

by slimboyfat in

one of the most persistent myths on this website is that jws are already in decline, the rot has set in, and the descent of the watchtower is inevitable from here on in.

unfortunately the facts do not bear this out.

jws are still increasing even in most developing countries, and they are still growing worldwide at a faster rate than the general population.

never a jw

SBF, You wrote: "...sustained activity all the more surprising." I think you meant to say more SUSPICIOUS.

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The Bad Science Scandal - Research Fact Fabrication - UK News article.

by *lost* in

the independent neswpaper uk - tues 18th june 2013 .

the bad science scandal - how fact fabrication is damaging uk's global research name.

after a string of high profile cases, a new agreement between scientists and the people who fund them aims to usher in a new era of .

never a jw

From JW to Pyrrhonism. Quite a jump!

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The antidote to the myth that JWs are declining

by slimboyfat in

one of the most persistent myths on this website is that jws are already in decline, the rot has set in, and the descent of the watchtower is inevitable from here on in.

unfortunately the facts do not bear this out.

jws are still increasing even in most developing countries, and they are still growing worldwide at a faster rate than the general population.

never a jw

Sigh Slimboyfat.

You missed the point altogether. Lonely and immigrant count just as much as anyone else. The point was that the religion of JW is appealing to less and less people. My observations are only anecdotal, buit certainly true. The Spanish congregations in California are stagnating. Qute a different story from just 15 years ago. I don't claim to know objectively the reason behind the change, but the change is palpable. There is growth Ok, but not what it used to be. So, if the trend continues, they will hit zero growth eventually and then go into negative numbers.

Use me as a reason why their numbers will decline. Two years ago I was willing to praise JW's over Catholics. Today I am spreading the word about the WT leaders' arrogance, dishonesty and manipulative tactics. I may be a lonely crusader against the WT in my social circle, but I was not a crusader against the WT before. You can bet your butt that in the next 30 or so years of life left for me I will be able to disuade few people out of the WT grasp. People like me and many others here were not actively undermining the WT before. Things are changing, slowly may be, but they are definitely moving against WT best wishes

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The antidote to the myth that JWs are declining

by slimboyfat in

one of the most persistent myths on this website is that jws are already in decline, the rot has set in, and the descent of the watchtower is inevitable from here on in.

unfortunately the facts do not bear this out.

jws are still increasing even in most developing countries, and they are still growing worldwide at a faster rate than the general population.

never a jw

Somewhere in your analysis there's a flaw. In other words, you are wrong slimboyfat

What I see in Hispanic congregations is that people who get baptized are mostly born-ins and few immigrants who feel lonely, have limited education (9th or lower) and/or have no access or interest in the internet.

It's a new world, it's not what it used to be even 15 years ago when congregations had to split every few years to accomodate newcomers. English congregation actually are merging because they are losing "parishoners" and therefore there are too many empty seats.

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GB not recognized as such till 1944, is this the cutoff for F&DS?

by Wasanelder Once in

ok so this is from the w71 12/15 p. 757 a governing body as different from a legal corporation.

governing body.

according to the apostolic example of the first century c.e., these dedicated, baptized christians known today as jehovahs witnesses have a governing body, as specifically noted from the year 1944 onward.

never a jw

1944??? When did Ruthlessford die? 1942? Sounds like they are embarrased by the Judge's record (1918-1942) and Charles T. Russell (until 1916). The latter founded the religion, the former shaped it. What a bunch of ingrates!. They are rejecting their roots and those who gave them a religion.

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So apparently I'm now a Secular Humanist

by Oubliette in

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i was doing some research on the subject of beliefs and belief systems when i came across an on-line survey/test that supposedly helps you determine which religion or philosophy is most like your current beliefs.

if you're curious, you can take the quiz here: belief system selector quizafter answering the 20 questions the results were spit out!

tada!!!.

never a jw

secular humanism 100%

jw 0 %

Quite predictable

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Racist ideas still present in the org.

by sosoconfused in

another thread on this board recalled to my mind the various thoughts and ideas in this organization that are still very prevelant among many.. .

for instance i already mentioned the late 70's to early 80's segregation in the kingdom halls, but in the 90's clear through to now for instance:.

at bethel in the mid 90's if you listened to or were found with rap music you were gone, no questions asked.

never a jw

Heard first-hand overt racist comments by several elders and m.s of a Hispanic congregation during a dinner that seemed to have been organized for me. Out of nowhere someone said that blacks were "not hard working people"--they actually put in different words. Promptly others echoed the comment. I was quite taken aback by the comments of these "spiritual" leaders. I was invited to this dinner because the body of elders was trying to get dirt on one elder that was not popular in the Body of Elders. This zealous, but unpopular elder had previously given me a book study and the other elders thought they could get something on the elder from me. It backfired because I wrote a letter to the Watchtower, and among other things, I wrote the racist comments that I had heard from the elders and m.s. Two months later a black elder who had learned Spanish was transferred to that congregation. He didn't stay for long, but I strongly believed that my letter caused the transfer of that elder.

The elder who gave me the study was in the end demoted and stayed "out of service" for several years.